Legislature(2001 - 2002)

02/14/2001 08:04 AM House EDU

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HB 94 - PUPIL COMPETENCY TEST;ANNUAL EDUC. REPORT                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE  announced the next  order of business as  HOUSE BILL                                                               
NO.  94, "An  Act relating  to initiatives  for quality  schools;                                                               
relating  to  pupil  competency   testing  and  the  issuance  of                                                               
secondary school diplomas; relating  to certain reports regarding                                                               
academic performance  of schools; and providing  for an effective                                                               
date."                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 1275                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SHIRLEY  HOLLOWAY, Commissioner,  Department  of Education  Early                                                               
Development (EED),  came forth  to address  HB 94.   Commissioner                                                               
Holloway  stated that  there are  three important  rules for  the                                                               
request to  establish a new  date for the high  school qualifying                                                               
exam.   Those  three reasons  fall  into three  categories.   The                                                               
first one  is the  opportunity to  learn for  all students.   The                                                               
second is the improvement that needs  to be made on the statewide                                                               
assessment itself, and the third is  the need to develop fair and                                                               
appropriate   assessment  pathways   for   the  diverse   student                                                               
population.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY expressed that  she would like to elaborate                                                               
on  those three  points.   The  first point,  the opportunity  to                                                               
learn, really  has to do  with ensuring  that all young  boys and                                                               
girls in the state of Alaska  who are in jeopardy of being denied                                                               
a diploma  have the  opportunity to  learn and  to be  taught the                                                               
standards  for which  they are  being  held accountable.   It  is                                                               
necessary   that  all   school  districts   have  aligned   their                                                               
curriculum to  the performance standards that  are being measured                                                               
on   the   statewide   assessments:     reading,   writing,   and                                                               
mathematics.   The  reading,  writing,  and mathematic  standards                                                               
need  to be  integrated into  all  the curricular  areas such  as                                                               
science,  social studies,  and vocational  education, if  this is                                                               
going to  be successful.   Some districts have the  knowledge and                                                               
the technical expertise  to get this job done and  others do not.                                                               
Even  districts that  do have  some expertise  are struggling  in                                                               
getting this all together and to the classroom level.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  HOLLOWAY stated  that she  hopes at  some time  the                                                               
committee will be  able to hear from the  Juneau School District,                                                               
which  has put  a  great deal  of time  and  effort into  putting                                                               
together all  of the test  scores on youngsters so  that teachers                                                               
can see  them when students  enter their classrooms.   The Juneau                                                               
School District  is doing  this through  technology, and  is even                                                               
going  as far  as listing  the interventions  that students  have                                                               
had.  When  she met with the Juneau School  District and asked if                                                               
this is really at the classroom level  yet, she was told no.  The                                                               
Juneau School  District has been  building it, designing  it, and                                                               
working with it,  but still needs time to work  with the teachers                                                               
in order to implement it.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 1402                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY  stated that another aspect  of the concept                                                               
of the opportunity to learn  is the professional development that                                                               
teachers need  in order  to teach the  standards, because  it's a                                                               
different way  of doing business.   She remarked that  whenever a                                                               
company changes how  it wants to produce a  project or determines                                                               
a better way of getting the  job done, the company invests in the                                                               
people to  make sure they have  the new skills and  the knowledge                                                               
to  get the  results  expected.   It is  necessary  to invest  in                                                               
education  professionals to  help  them teach  the standards  and                                                               
assess  students in  a performance-based  system,  which is  very                                                               
different from what has been done in the past.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY addressed another  aspect of the concept of                                                               
the opportunity to learn that relates  to what has been done with                                                               
students who  have not done  well on  the assessments.   Based on                                                               
the student data for 2000, many  a student are in jeopardy of not                                                               
passing  all three  required assessments  in  math, reading,  and                                                               
writing in  time to get  his or her diploma.   She said  that the                                                               
EED believes it  is necessary to develop  appropriate and focused                                                               
student  interventions  to  help  the  students  meet  these  new                                                               
standards.  The  rationale for the year 2006 is  imbedded in this                                                               
opportunity to learn issue.   This year's seventh graders will be                                                               
the  graduates of  2006.   They  took the  sixth grade  benchmark                                                               
assessment last year.  It is  known which seventh graders are not                                                               
progressing well  in the reading,  writing, and  math, therefore,                                                               
it is essential to do the  kinds of intervention now so they will                                                               
be better  prepared when  they take  the eighth  grade benchmark.                                                               
That provides another opportunity  to do additional interventions                                                               
or remediation.   Parents have the information now  for the first                                                               
time in terms of how well  students are doing specifically on the                                                               
reading,  writing, and  math standards.   So,  together, teachers                                                               
and parents  need to be designing  how they are going  to support                                                               
their students to meet these new standards.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 1498                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  HOLLOWAY   stated  that  another  element   of  the                                                               
opportunity to learn  relates to some of  the legal requirements.                                                               
She said  that the EED  is being  cautioned that sticking  to the                                                               
2002 date may not be wise  because the system, based on data, has                                                               
not  had time  to  gear  up to  ensure  the  opportunity and  the                                                               
interventions to  make sure  all students  have experience.   She                                                               
said that  many states are going  through the same process.   She                                                               
has  a  draft,   to  date,  of  where  all  the   states  are  in                                                               
relationship to this issue of high stakes testing.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 1535                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY  stated that  the second reason  for asking                                                               
for  a more  responsible timeline  in the  implementation of  the                                                               
high school  qualifying exam has to  do with the need  to refine,                                                               
clarify, and improve  the assessments.  She said  that she thinks                                                               
it's important  to be  reminded that the  standards on  which the                                                               
test are  based were  not established by  the legislature  or the                                                               
EED, but  by hundreds of  caring and committed  Alaskans starting                                                               
in 1990.   The  standards that  young people  should know  and be                                                               
able  to do  when they  leave  the twelfth  grade were  voluntary                                                               
until 1997 when the competency test  law was passed.  Designing a                                                               
comprehensive standards-based  statewide assessment is  a process                                                               
that needs to be continually  scrutinized, refined, and improved.                                                               
Now  that  there  is  student  data  as  well  as  feedback  from                                                               
teachers,  students, and  parents,  and the  standards that  have                                                               
been measured, the format of  the assessments, and the cut scores                                                               
need to be carefully analyzed.   The EED, with the State Board of                                                               
Education, has developed a process  called the Continuous Renewal                                                               
Process  for  the Statewide  Assessments.    Teams of  educators,                                                               
parents, school  board members, and business  people started last                                                               
week on the reexamining process.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 1609                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY  stated that  the third reason  to consider                                                               
the time frame  for withholding diplomas from  the 2002 graduates                                                               
is  that  the  competency-based  law   did  not  address  how  to                                                               
determine   competency  of   students  displaying   disabilities,                                                               
students  who come  speaking a  language other  than English,  or                                                               
transient  students, such  as  the military  dependents.   It  is                                                               
important  to  take  time  to work  with  parents  and  families,                                                               
communities, legislatures, educators,  and other concerned groups                                                               
and to  look at  the possible  alternatives.   She said  that she                                                               
wants to  assure the committee and  the chairman that the  EED is                                                               
committed  to  maintaining  high  standards  and  accountability,                                                               
emphasizing  that there  have been  significant gains  because of                                                               
the new accountability requirements.   She continued by saying it                                                               
is   possible  to   maintain  the   accountability  momentum   by                                                               
continuing  to assess  students  and record  the  results of  the                                                               
assessments on the high school transcripts.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY stated that  there is public accountability                                                               
now because student  performance, both on the  benchmarks and the                                                               
high school qualifying  exam, are now reported  school by school.                                                               
It is possible to pull that  information up on the web site, look                                                               
at each  school in  the state  to see how  well the  students are                                                               
doing on these assessments.  She  said the EED believes that this                                                               
really sustains  the students'  and the  schools' accountability.                                                               
Also, in  "the law SB  36" there's  a requirement in  the process                                                               
called designating schools.   In 2003 each school  will receive a                                                               
designation.  The designation committee  will be reporting to the                                                               
EED  in March,  and schools  will have  the opportunity  to apply                                                               
this designation formula  to their school during  the 2002 school                                                               
year before  the official  designation occurs  in the  year 2003.                                                               
The EED is  in the process of developing a  detailed plan on what                                                               
would specifically  be done with  the time if the  committee were                                                               
to grant a delay.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 1720                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE  asked whether, if  this were to move  forward, there                                                               
would be a 20-30 percent possible denial of diplomas.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY answered she believes so.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE stated  that Alaskan high schools average  about a 10                                                               
percent denial  now.  Denying  diplomas is  not a new  thing with                                                               
the  competency  test.   For  many  reasons, students  don't  get                                                               
diplomas now.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  HOLLOWAY said  that she  doesn't have  the data  in                                                               
terms of  how many students  are being denied diplomas  under the                                                               
present system.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE  stated that it  certainly varies with  districts but                                                               
what he looked  at was that students leave, get  mad, go to jail,                                                               
or just don't  do their credits.   He said he thinks  this is the                                                               
first  time that  denying students  diplomas has  been discussed.                                                               
Students  still  have  to complete  whatever  requirements  exist                                                               
today or they are  denied a diploma.  This is  a new concept, and                                                               
it appears that about 10 percent  of Alaska's senior class, for a                                                               
multitude of  reasons, ends up  with out  a diploma.   He pointed                                                               
out that  these standards are  not new; they were  really adopted                                                               
in 1993 as voluntary standards.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 1786                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY stated  that once the law  passed there had                                                               
been  very general  content standards  that  had been  voluntary.                                                               
Upon passage  of the law, there  was a move into  the development                                                               
of  performance  standards in  reading,  writing,  and math,  and                                                               
those are really the standards that have to be tested.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE stated that in 1997  the discussion was that the test                                                               
could  not   be  administered  before  2002   because  a  legally                                                               
defensible test that  was fair and unique to Alaska  needed to be                                                               
developed.   He  said  he  thinks that  he  is  hearing the  same                                                               
argument now.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  HOLLOWAY replied  that she  thinks that's  only one                                                               
small  piece of  what  has been  learned as  well  as what  other                                                               
states  have learned  and that  is  this alignment  piece to  the                                                               
curriculum and  the professional development piece  for teachers.                                                               
Also, making  sure that  every student  gets that  opportunity is                                                               
critical  in  making sure  that  the  standard reform  effort  is                                                               
successful in  the long run.   She said she  does not want  to be                                                               
unfair to the students because the system wasn't ready.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 1876                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  BUNDE  stated  that,  as  this  testimony  to  date  would                                                               
indicate, a majority of people are  in favor of standards.  Where                                                               
it falls apart  is to whom it applies and  how the standard would                                                               
be defined.   He mentioned  that he  would like to  highlight for                                                               
the committee the  change that schools have made  now from credit                                                               
to  performance judgments.   In  the past  if a  student got  the                                                               
credit, whether  he or she was  able to demonstrate the  skill or                                                               
not, the  student was  granted a  diploma.  He  asked if  now the                                                               
student is required  to demonstrate and perform the  task as well                                                               
as having had "seat time".                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER   HOLLOWAY  replied   that's   a  really   important                                                               
distinction  between the  old  model  and the  new  model.   What                                                               
standards  bring is  a  focus  on results,  the  notion that  all                                                               
students meet  the standards, and a  demonstration of proficiency                                                               
on that standard.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE stated that might  answer a question that he receives                                                               
from parents  saying, "my child  filled the  credit requirements,                                                               
now  you're saying  that he  or she  won't get  a diploma."   The                                                               
credit requirement may have encouraged,  among many other things,                                                               
the  social  promotion because  the  child  never really  had  an                                                               
opportunity to  see what  his or  her performance  would be.   If                                                               
they  were encouraged  to move  on and  fill those  credits, that                                                               
system may have been short-changing  young people in letting them                                                               
think they had skills that they did not have.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY  replied that  she thinks  he is  right and                                                               
that has been a fallout of the  old system.  There are two school                                                               
districts  that  have gained  waivers  from  the State  Board  of                                                               
Education  to  completely  move  away  from  a  seat  time  to  a                                                               
performance-based system.   There are two  other school districts                                                               
that are applying to move to that system.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE stated  that Chugach and Iditarod are  the two school                                                               
districts.   He said that  he hopes  the committee will  have the                                                               
opportunity to hear from those people  to get an idea of how that                                                               
system compares  with the  current system.   He added  that, from                                                               
his  view, many  students  have been  incredibly successful,  and                                                               
they  appreciate knowing  that  they basically  get  to help  set                                                               
their own standards.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY added that  these school districts have not                                                               
only  invested  in the  reading,  writing,  and math  performance                                                               
standards, but they have  established standards in employability.                                                               
They have had  the opportunity to invest in  a totally standards-                                                               
based  system,   which  is  much   different  from   most  school                                                               
districts.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 2016                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE  noted that Commissioner Holloway  had mentioned that                                                               
business community  members had  begun to  review standards.   He                                                               
said  that  he  had  the  opportunity to  talk  to  one  business                                                               
community member  who was  part of this  standard.   The business                                                               
community member shared with the  EED and State School Board that                                                               
industries'  requirements were  much  lower than  what they  were                                                               
looking for  but many students  still couldn't achieve  even that                                                               
lower level.   [University of  Alaska's] President  Hamilton just                                                               
last  week gave  his  report  saying almost  50  percent of  high                                                               
school graduates  that go on  to the University of  Alaska system                                                               
have to  take remediation.   That's  costing the  university some                                                               
$11 million  a year.   Chair Bunde  remarked that  the University                                                               
will  always be  doing  remediation but  perhaps  it's an  unfair                                                               
burden.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  BUNDE  referred  to  Commissioner  Holloway's  mention  of                                                               
transient students, in particular the  military, and asked if she                                                               
knew  the percentage  of high  school graduates  that would  fall                                                               
into that category.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY answered she didn't know.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
BRUCE JOHNSON,  Deputy Commissioner, Department of  Education and                                                               
Early  Development   (EED),  came  forward  and   said  that  the                                                               
department is in  the process of trying to break  that out.  It's                                                               
a little complicated.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 2096                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY stated  there was a military  summit a week                                                               
ago, and  about 80 military  families participated.  There  was a                                                               
lot of discussion  not only about Alaska's  high-stakes test, but                                                               
the  other states  that are  involved.   The military  feels they                                                               
need to  address high stakes reciprocity.   If a student  takes a                                                               
high-stakes test in  Texas and passes it and  then is transferred                                                               
to Alaska, he  or she has to  take the test again.   The military                                                               
would  like to  work some  type  of agreement  between states  in                                                               
regard  to that.   The  military  is very  concerned because  the                                                               
difference  in schools  is  quite astronomical  in  terms of  the                                                               
quality as well as expectations across our country.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE said  20 years ago if a fourth  grader transferred in                                                               
he  or she  would be  behind because  Alaska schools  were ahead.                                                               
That sadly  isn't the case  now.   It's important to  be reminded                                                               
that  a number  of  districts  have passed  one  or  more of  the                                                               
sections of  the assessment at  100 percent.   Many of  these are                                                               
small schools  and more remote  schools.   There are a  number of                                                               
schools that  are doing  very well.   In one  particular district                                                               
the students from the village  are actually doing better than the                                                               
home-schooled students;  the reverse  is often  the case.   While                                                               
this may be challenging for some, others are doing very well.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 2225                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GREEN  asked  what  a  given  definition  of  "an                                                               
education to a child" would be.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
DEPUTY  JOHNSON  answered that  as  schools  are moving  in  this                                                               
direction  of   standards-based  education.  the   definition  is                                                               
changing.   It  is  suggested  that as  the  student leaves  high                                                               
school, he or she should  have the skills and knowledge necessary                                                               
to take  that next step into  the adult life, whether  that means                                                               
the person  is going to  be a good  father or mother,  or whether                                                               
that  means  he  or  she  is going  to  enter  the  workplace,  a                                                               
technical school, the  university, or take some  other next step.                                                               
Students should have that choice  available to them, and the only                                                               
way that they  can have that choice is if  they have demonstrated                                                               
essential skills  prior to  leaving high  school.   Without those                                                               
foundational  skills, that  next step  will be  more challenging;                                                               
they are more like to slip and never reach their potential.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GREEN  asked if that  was the idea before,  in the                                                               
60s, 70s, 80s  and 90s.  He  stated that he thought  that was the                                                               
objective  of the  schools at  that  time.   He said  that he  is                                                               
concerned about  why this  is being  brought up  now when  it has                                                               
been known,  way back, from  industries, that a  large percentage                                                               
of people  that were  graduating weren't  capable of  holding the                                                               
jobs.   The legislature  acted in  '97 and now  it is  being said                                                               
that there needs  to be an opportunity to have  a plan to educate                                                               
our  children.   He  expressed  that  he  finds it  difficult  to                                                               
comprehend why  it is such  a unique  and new concept  when there                                                               
has  always  been that  idea  to  provide  an education  and  the                                                               
ability for  children to  get a  job, or go  to college  or trade                                                               
school.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY answered that  public education has been an                                                               
input system where everyone was  not necessarily held accountable                                                               
for learning.   Even  the old  accreditation models  to determine                                                               
whether  schools were  effective were  all based  on inputs,  not                                                               
what  students knew  or could  do as  results of  the experience.                                                               
The EED  is trying to change  the whole notion of  what schooling                                                               
is all about.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 01-6, SIDE B                                                                                                               
Number 2368                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY  continued, saying initially  public school                                                               
was not  a place for everyone.   There were places  for people to                                                               
go;  young people  could go  to work.   They  didn't need  a high                                                               
school diploma.   The kids  that stayed  in school were  the more                                                               
capable kids.   People dropped  out of  high school and  they did                                                               
fine because  there were jobs,  but society, today, is  no longer                                                               
like  that.    There  needs  to be  an  educated  population,  an                                                               
educated  citizenry.   This  ups  the  stakes,  in terms  of  the                                                               
responsibility to  move all  children to a  higher level  so that                                                               
they can participate in democracy.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GREEN said this is  a focus on all children today.                                                               
He  expressed that  it  was  different perhaps  when  he went  to                                                               
school.  A percentage worked on  their fathers' farms.  They left                                                               
school  early  and never  had  any  intention of  finishing  high                                                               
school.  They  got a few vocational courses and  some other basic                                                               
skills and then they left.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE  said he  thinks it  is important  to point  out that                                                               
even with  a delay there  would be  a percentage of  students who                                                               
are not  successful; about  10 percent on  average now  are being                                                               
denied diplomas  and that  will probably  remain about  the same,                                                               
even if there is a delay.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY  replied that  the EED recognizes  that but                                                               
wants to be  successful with as many students as  possible and be                                                               
defensible so  that the standards  and the  accountability system                                                               
are maintained.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 2301                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GREEN  commented   that  he  thinks  Commissioner                                                               
Holloway hit  the essence  of the  problem that he  has.   In the                                                               
past,  as indicated,  there  were  a lot  of  people that  didn't                                                               
finish;  they dropped  out.    But the  accountability  to get  a                                                               
diploma  was  still   there.    Students  had   to  show  certain                                                               
proficiency in order  to get a diploma.  That  diploma meant that                                                               
the  student  had  fulfilled the  requirements.    Representative                                                               
Green expressed that apparently  what's happened is the necessary                                                               
requirements have  been lowered  to a point  that now  people are                                                               
graduating who  haven't really met  the requirements.   He stated                                                               
that  he is  concerned  that in  order for  the  majority of  the                                                               
children to meet a standard and  get a diploma, they will have to                                                               
increase their proficiency.   He asked if there is  a way to have                                                               
differential diplomas.   There could be a  diploma-plus for those                                                               
who  do  well,  or  a  diploma-minus for  those  who  don't,  for                                                               
example.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GREEN  stated  that  in the  past,  students  who                                                               
didn't pass muster  they didn't get a diploma.   So, they dropped                                                               
out and  worked on  their fathers'  farms.   He pointed  out that                                                               
this  is not  a  negative; it  just says  these  students have  a                                                               
different  bent.   These  students  may not  like  academia.   He                                                               
continued saying  if students  have qualified  for a  high school                                                               
diploma, they should be able to meet a certain standard.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 2195                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DEPUTY JOHNSON  replied that he signed  on to do the  job because                                                               
he thought that Alaska was on  the right track.  Having worked in                                                               
rural  Alaska   and  experienced   some  of  the   challenges  in                                                               
attempting  to motivate  young people  to  higher standards  than                                                               
they were accustomed to, he  needed the standards from the state,                                                               
and the concept  of a high school graduation  qualifying exam, to                                                               
get that motivation in some of  his students.  He remarked the he                                                               
thinks  it has  grown customary,  for  a variety  of reasons,  to                                                               
award  diplomas because  it is  so important  to have  a diploma.                                                               
Schools  have   succumbed  to  allowing   young  people   not  to                                                               
demonstrate  skills,  and  to  sit   in  the  back  row  somewhat                                                               
disinterested, qualify  with a D-minus  and, therefore,  they got                                                               
their 21 credits in the  classes required in that local district.                                                               
There has been a lot of pressure  to do this.  He stated that the                                                               
worst  day of  a superintendent's  or a  high school  principal's                                                               
life  is the  day  before commencement  because  there are  those                                                               
students  that  aren't  going  to  make  it.    Parents,  out  of                                                               
compassion  and concern  for their  own children,  want an  extra                                                               
credit opportunity that they can do  in the next 12 hours so that                                                               
the students can participate in  commencement and walk across the                                                               
stage.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
DEPUTY JOHNSON  continued, saying  now there  are the  tools that                                                               
will allow, early  on, for a young person to  know the standards.                                                               
The  standards are  measured  by the  examination,  which can  be                                                               
achieved at  a particular  passing score.   He commented  that he                                                               
thinks  if the  envelope is  pushed  here, however,  this may  be                                                               
litigated with  a potential  injunction.  He  also noted  that he                                                               
would like, at  a future meeting, to have  the attorney general's                                                               
office give their  impressions on the potential  problems if this                                                               
moves forward with  the 2002 date.  He concluded  that he doesn't                                                               
think  the EED  is  in any  disagreement, but  he  thinks that  a                                                               
little more time is needed if  this is going to be successful and                                                               
potentially not lose the current effort in momentum.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GUESS stated that  some districts have the ability                                                               
and motivation  and some do  not to align curriculum,  and that's                                                               
been one of  the problems over the past few  years. She asked how                                                               
confident the EED  is, if this is postponed for  four years, that                                                               
every classroom will  be aligned, every teacher  will be trained,                                                               
and school districts  will get on board so students  will get the                                                               
opportunity to  learn.  And  what control  is there to  make sure                                                               
that districts do  this?  Obviously, some districts  are and some                                                               
are not.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 2068                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  HOLLOWAY asserted  that she's  seen more  action by                                                               
local boards  and local districts  than ever before in  trying to                                                               
get this done.   She said she recently spent some  time in a very                                                               
small, mostly  Native school district  and worked with  the board                                                               
in trying to deal with where they  needed to go next and how they                                                               
could  get the  expertise.    In that  case,  they're inviting  a                                                               
school district in  that is well on its way  to having an aligned                                                               
curriculum  and defined  interventions.   Unfortunately, the  EED                                                               
has  very limited  resources, except  through some  federal funds                                                               
like  Title  One,  to  really   assist  school  districts.    The                                                               
department hopes  to come back  and talk about a  funding package                                                               
that would  provide the opportunity  for EED  to do the  kinds of                                                               
alignment and  interventions that  need to  happen in  all school                                                               
districts.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY  declared that  what the  law has  done and                                                               
what  the  competency-based  test  has done  is  to  finally  get                                                               
people's  attention.    She said  most  districts,  schools,  and                                                               
educators want  to do this  and do it right.   Right now  the EED                                                               
doesn't have  the capacity, as  an agency,  to respond to  all of                                                               
those needs, but is trying with the limited funds that it has.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 2003                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GUESS  stated that  she is  specifically concerned                                                               
with  the Anchorage  School District  and what  it is  or is  not                                                               
doing.   She thinks that some  of the small school  districts are                                                               
doing  a  great job,  but  the  larger  ones  are having  a  more                                                               
difficult time.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
DEPUTY JOHNSON  remarked that he  thinks Representative  Guess is                                                               
correct  that the  larger districts  need to  move in  a slightly                                                               
different  direction.    The  bigger   the  challenge,  the  more                                                               
resources  that it  takes.   There are  small districts  that are                                                               
able to  establish a new system  that's adopted by the  board and                                                               
the  administration.   It is  necessary to  work through  some of                                                               
that resistance  to change  in the larger  districts in  order to                                                               
accomplish what the EED wants to accomplish for young people.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 1965                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  BUNDE cited  that there  has been  some $36  million since                                                               
1997 put into  the quality school program, so it  isn't as if the                                                               
funding has been cut.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PORTER  stated by  way  of  observation that  two                                                               
things pop out.   One thing is:   How did we get  into this mess,                                                               
and whose fault is  it?  He said that he could  just as well make                                                               
a case that  it is the responsibility of the  legislature for not                                                               
starting this  sooner because they're  the ones  that appropriate                                                               
the money and  are supposed to be responsible for  seeing that it                                                               
is spent in  an effective manner.  He stated  that one concern he                                                               
had is that  during development of the test it  is important that                                                               
the  essential  skills  for  graduation are  being  tested.    He                                                               
divulged that  he is having  a tough  time figuring out  what the                                                               
skills are essential for.  He  asked if the tests are being aimed                                                               
at college bound kids or at those  needing a job.  He stated that                                                               
he  doesn't  think  college  is   an  appropriate  target,  since                                                               
colleges have a  way of reviewing transcripts, and  SAT scores to                                                               
determine whether somebody is going to get in or not.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PORTER related  that some  school districts  have                                                               
found the  skills necessary to  revamp their  curriculum, prepare                                                               
their teachers,  and get  their students  up to  speed.   He then                                                               
asked if  the methods  and devices they  have used  are available                                                               
for sharing or  if there is an inclination to  share these skills                                                               
across  the  state  so  each  school  district  doesn't  have  to                                                               
reinvent the wheel to come up to speed.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PORTER  concluded that he has  some concerns about                                                               
the legality and the appropriateness  of this effort in regard to                                                               
kids with learning disabilities.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 1817                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   JOULE  declared,   as  he   recalls,  that   the                                                               
department's  position has  not  changed one  bit  in asking  for                                                               
time.  He  stated that the EED wasn't against  the intent in what                                                               
was being  done, but  had a difference  with the  starting point.                                                               
He said that  he thinks this is just a  continuation of the EED's                                                               
original position.  It was  the objective to monitor the students                                                               
that went  through the benchmarks,  and build a  foundation using                                                               
those  benchmarks.   He pointed  out  that he  didn't think  that                                                               
there  should not  be a  testing system,  he believes  that there                                                               
already is one.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOULE asked  if all  that should  be measured  is                                                               
reading, writing, and math.  And  how should this test evolve and                                                               
what should it evolve to?                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STEVENS  commented that  a high school  diploma is                                                               
not the end-all and be-all of  public education.  There are other                                                               
considerations that  must be taken into  account.  If it  is true                                                               
that  10 percent  of  students in  Alaska  historically have  not                                                               
received a diploma, and if it  is true that a possible 30 percent                                                               
are faced  with not receiving a  diploma, then that's a  third of                                                               
the student  body.   He said  that his concern  is what  is being                                                               
done to those students who are  falling short of a diploma.  They                                                               
are not  being abandoned; they  are still there.   These students                                                               
may be failing in  terms of a diploma but will  still be going on                                                               
with their  lives.  He asked  if the state is  prepared to assist                                                               
them  and  take  their  needs  into  account,  because  it  is  a                                                               
significant part of the student population.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WILSON stated  that she  is concerned  about what                                                               
the diploma means,  and what is being done to  make sure that the                                                               
diploma means  something.   For instance, she  asked if  the test                                                               
scores are  going to be  put on  the diplomas.   She acknowledged                                                               
that there are 30 percent that  are headed for the possibility of                                                               
not getting  a diploma.  She  asked if only the  other 70 percent                                                               
is being looked  at or if that  30 percent is being  looked at as                                                               
well.   Are they being  prepared for  something so they  also can                                                               
have a good  life?  That 30 percent may  have a special education                                                               
element in  it, but not all,  and it is necessary  to acknowledge                                                               
that some of  the students out there are very  qualified and very                                                               
intelligent but they  might need some help.  She  referred to the                                                               
calculator that students  can take with them anywhere  they go in                                                               
life.  She asked:   Why can't they have that  with them when they                                                               
take the  test?  She stated  that there need to  be various tools                                                               
that students can  definitely have with them wherever  they go in                                                               
life.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 1533                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
TANYA   TOTEMOFF,  Student,   Tatitlek   School,  testified   via                                                               
teleconference.   She explained that  she thinks that  having the                                                               
high school  graduation test is  better than  the old way  of not                                                               
having anything at all because  students actually learn something                                                               
in high school.  She said that she  took the test when she was in                                                               
tenth grade,  last year,  which was  the first  time it  was ever                                                               
given out to  students, and she thought it was  really easy.  She                                                               
stated  that she  is in  the Chugach  School District,  which has                                                               
been on a  standards-based system for about six years.   She said                                                               
that the  students are learning everything  through the standards                                                               
and  that  the  test  was  easy  for  most  students  because  it                                                               
contained information that  they should know.  She  felt that the                                                               
test was not above anybody's level.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. TOTEMOFF  stated that  her school  standards are  harder than                                                               
the state  standards.   Right now she  is not  struggling through                                                               
them, but they are more challenging  than what she had to take on                                                               
the test.   She remarked that  by delaying the tests,  it's as if                                                               
saying the students graduating right  now don't need to know this                                                               
information.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOULE asked  if her school district  gives her the                                                               
opportunity  to  gain  experience   through  job  mentorships  in                                                               
Anchorage, and if  she does any of her coursework  outside of her                                                               
village.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. TOTEMOFF  replied that the  students do  have a chance  to go                                                               
into  Anchorage,  starting  at  about seventh  or  eighth  grade,                                                               
depending whether  or not they  are ready.   She stated  that the                                                               
students  go to  a  place called  Anchorage House.    There is  a                                                               
series  of  phases, the  first  being  "new beginnings"  for  the                                                               
seventh and eighth graders.   These students start thinking about                                                               
their careers and  learning what they can do.   As they get older                                                               
the students get more involved  and start going on "job shadows",                                                               
doing  surveys and  seeing what  they are  really interested  in.                                                               
Students also go on trips.   For example, she went to Europe last                                                               
year.  She declared that everything  the students do is tied into                                                               
their standards and what is actually needed to graduate.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GREEN  asked if  she is aware  of her  grade point                                                               
average (GPA) or her standing in her class.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  TOTEMOFF  replied  that  it  takes a  lot  to  convert  from                                                               
standards to a  GPA, and that is not usually  done until they are                                                               
graduating.    She  also  informed  members  that  she  is  in  a                                                               
graduating class of two.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOULE   asked  if   she  mentored   with  Chugach                                                               
Corporation  or any  other Native  corporations  while doing  the                                                               
Anchorage experience.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. TOTEMOFF  answered that the  students toured  the corporation                                                               
and learned  what went on  there.  She  pointed out it  wasn't an                                                               
actual  job shadow.    She added  that she  never  really had  an                                                               
interest business, so she personally didn't go there.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 1225                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JEFF WALTERS,  President, Fairbanks Education  Association (FEA),                                                               
testified via teleconference from Fairbanks.   He stated that the                                                               
FEA board  is in favor of  delaying the implementation date.   He                                                               
asserted that  there are unresolved issues  such as special-needs                                                               
students,  English-as-a-second-language  students, and  transient                                                               
students.  Another  concern the FEA has is that  this process has                                                               
been  implemented  by the  State  of  Alaska  and yet  the  first                                                               
results of  the testing that were  given out last year  have just                                                               
come  in.   School  districts have  invested a  lot  of time  and                                                               
energy already to use the  benchmark results and participate in a                                                               
process to make  improvements in the schools.   He expressed that                                                               
he doesn't  believe this  process, the  test, or  the high-stakes                                                               
consequences are  going to go  away, but  more time is  needed to                                                               
implement the  results of  the benchmark  and corrections  in the                                                               
program in order to continue to improve.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 1160                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. WALTERS described another concern  the FEA has, with the test                                                               
itself.  The  FEA's understanding is that it is  supposed to be a                                                               
competency-based test,  but FEA questions of  competency is being                                                               
looked for.   He remarked that there are other  bugs that need to                                                               
be worked out,  such as examining the cut  scores, validating the                                                               
test, and  making the  test defensible.   He  stated that  if the                                                               
system  has flaws  in it,  it should  be fixed.   Penalizing  the                                                               
students regarding the  ability to give out  high school diplomas                                                               
and how  to get  a diploma through  the system or  not is  a real                                                               
high-stakes consequence.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. WALTERS offered,  on a personal level, that he  is a graduate                                                               
of a high school  in New York State in the  1970s, where they had                                                               
the  Regents  program.    There   were  two  different  types  of                                                               
diplomas, the Regents  diploma and the non-Regents  diploma.  One                                                               
was held to a higher standard  than the other.  He expressed that                                                               
during the  interim the FEA is  asking that the test  continue to                                                               
be  given and  when kids  do  pass the  test, that  it should  be                                                               
acknowledged on the transcripts and diplomas.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 1107                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. WALTERS  concluded that as  a teacher he'd like  his students                                                               
to think of him  as tough but fair.  He stated  that the FEA does                                                               
want  tough standards,  high  standards,  and a  competency-based                                                               
exam but wants  it to be administered fairly.   The time that the                                                               
FEA is asking for is to make sure that that's done.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 1085                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
LOUISE  PARISH testified  via teleconference  from  Valdez.   She                                                               
referred to HB  94 page 2, line 14, subsection  (c) which states,                                                               
"Not withstanding (a) of this  section, the board shall determine                                                               
the requirements for  a pupil with disabilities  who is receiving                                                               
educational services  through an individualized  educational plan                                                               
under AS  14.30.278 to  qualify for the  issuance of  a secondary                                                               
school diploma."   She  stated that she  is concerned  about this                                                               
area and  asked if it could  possibly be deleted.   She said that                                                               
she  is wondering  if  the  state board  is  really qualified  to                                                               
determine  how  a  child with  learning  disabilities  should  be                                                               
issued  a diploma.   She  offered that  maybe the  test designers                                                               
should [determine  how a child with  learning disabilities should                                                               
be issued a diploma].                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. PARISH  referred to  a letter  she has  that reads,  "I would                                                               
like to  offer you some  new information regarding  students with                                                               
learning  disabilities and  high-stakes assessments."   She  also                                                               
referred to a paper called  "Juneau Harm:  High-Stake Testing and                                                               
Students  With Learning  Disabilities,"  a  February 2001  report                                                               
issued  by  Disabilities  Rights  Advocates  (DRA),  a  nonprofit                                                               
organization  in  Oakland,  California.    On  February  1,  2001                                                               
lawyers for the DRA announced  the developments of a class action                                                               
suit  brought by  200 parents  of Oregon  students with  learning                                                               
disabilities  against the  Oregon State  Board of  Education, Ms.                                                               
Parish noted.   The students alleged that  the Oregon assessments                                                               
were discriminating against learning-disabled  students.  As part                                                               
of the  process, a panel of  experts was agreed upon.   The panel                                                               
studied the problem  and a two-page report resulted.   The report                                                               
helped form  the basis for  the settlement.  Ms.  Parish remarked                                                               
that  this may  be the  first  time in  legislative history  that                                                               
learning-disabled  students'  high-stakes assessments  have  been                                                               
this  seriously  examined.   She  stated  that she  believes  the                                                               
report  will  have  national  implications,  and  expressed  that                                                               
Alaska be proactive and address the same issue.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 0979                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. PARISH  remarked that one page  of the report lists  the team                                                               
core  principles  to  ensure  fair   treatment  of  all  students                                                               
including those with learning disabilities.   She read one, which                                                               
stated:                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
          The needs and rights of students of learning                                                                          
      disabilities must be vigorously protected to ensure                                                                       
     that these  students, a, have  an equal  opportunity to                                                                    
     participate in  and to  obtain all  of the  benefits of                                                                    
     high stakes assessment programs  and, b, to ensure that                                                                    
     they are not disadvantaged  or discriminated against on                                                                    
     the   basis  of   disability   with   regard  to   such                                                                    
     assessment.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE  stated that  there will be  an opportunity  to speak                                                               
with the attorney general's office  and ask that they discuss the                                                               
Oregon case.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 0931                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MERI HOLDEN  testified via teleconference.   She stated  that she                                                               
has lived in  Kodiak for 25 years.   For the first  20 years, she                                                               
worked  with  the  Kodiak  School   District  as  a  high  school                                                               
counselor and alternative education  teacher working with kids at                                                               
risk.   She noted that she  has had experience working  with kids                                                               
who would fail the  test if they were to take it  today.  For the                                                               
last six years, she has  worked part-time as a parent facilitator                                                               
at her  daughter's elementary school  and has served on  a number                                                               
of (indisc.) review committees as  well.  She emphasized that she                                                               
understands how this process has worked and evolved.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. HOLDEN declared  that she believes it is  fair and reasonable                                                               
to extend the  date because kids need the opportunity  to work on                                                               
areas they  may not be  proficient in.   She remarked  that while                                                               
working in her  daughter's school, she has seen  that children at                                                               
the elementary  level are  very willing  to work  and that  it is                                                               
still "cool"  to learn skills.   She added, "Once those  kids get                                                               
into  the  high  school  level  and  there's  an  attempt  to  do                                                               
interventions,  for  example,  teaching them  fractions,  if  the                                                               
students didn't get  it when they were elementary  students it is                                                               
very difficult to  motivate a high school student to  learn to do                                                               
fractions."  She stated it's  fair and reasonable for teachers to                                                               
have more  time to meet the  needs and the standards  and receive                                                               
training if that  is necessary.  She remarked  that teachers need                                                               
time to  identify students who may  need additional intervention.                                                               
This  is happening  with  the benchmark  testing,  she said,  and                                                               
teachers are being  assisted that way.  She  reiterated that time                                                               
is needed  for teachers  to create programs  and plans  to assist                                                               
with this.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  HOLDEN remarked  that  it  is also  fair  and reasonable  to                                                               
extend the time for families  and communities.  She said families                                                               
need to feel that the process  is meeting their kids' needs.  She                                                               
commented that  she doesn't know  any family or parent  who would                                                               
say,  "I don't  want my  kid to  succeed."   She stated  that she                                                               
feels there is  a need for time  to set the process  in motion in                                                               
which to  guarantee as much  success as possible.   Responding to                                                               
the  question posed  earlier about  "why  wait", she  said it  is                                                               
necessary to wait because people  want kids to be successful, and                                                               
if there  isn't enough time to  put all the necessary  parts into                                                               
play, then the kids will be  punished.  She added that building a                                                               
good educational program  starts with a foundation,  which is the                                                               
elementary students.   She stressed  that they are the  ones that                                                               
need the  opportunity to build  skills so  that when they  get to                                                               
high school they are ready to take the qualifying exam.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 0716                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STEVENS  asked  Ms.  Holden  to  comment  on  the                                                               
professional training and development  of teachers under this new                                                               
system.   He asked if,  with these new  skills, there would  be a                                                               
major change in going to a performance-based kind of program.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. HOLDEN answered that she could  only answer from what she has                                                               
observed.  She said she believes  that when she was going through                                                               
college  and graduate  school in  the 1970s  there was  a lot  of                                                               
caution placed on testing in general.   She stated that she feels                                                               
that she still carries that caution  with her when looking at new                                                               
teachers.   She  works closely  now  with teachers  who are  just                                                               
coming out of  college, and, she said, she is  not sure that kind                                                               
of caution  is still involved  in their training.   She commented                                                               
that, in  terms of performance-based [standards],  she thinks new                                                               
teachers are  coming in with  a more understanding  and awareness                                                               
that there are many ways  to show skill, growth, and development.                                                               
She asserted that "new teachers and  young children have a lot of                                                               
similarity  in that  they are  a lot  like sponges  and they  are                                                               
saying, 'OK, maybe  I didn't get training in this  area, but help                                                               
me  know how  I  can  do it  better.'  Older  teachers and  older                                                               
children, sometimes their sponges are full."                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 0601                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
C. A. SHORT testified via teleconference  in favor of HB 94 being                                                               
postponed  until  2006.   He  stated  that  he thinks  it's  very                                                               
important to have  special education teachers on  staff that have                                                               
those students  with problems  in certain subjects.   He  said he                                                               
believes when student  goes to graduate, in the event  that he or                                                               
she doesn't pass all of the  subjects, that his or her transcript                                                               
should be on  the back of the diploma in  case the student wanted                                                               
to go to  community college or night school to  bring the subject                                                               
up to par.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. SHORT  said this bill  has certainly gotten the  attention of                                                               
the parents.   He remarked  that if students are  having problems                                                               
passing this test,  parents are going to be willing  to go to the                                                               
schoolhouse with the  teachers and work things out  so that their                                                               
students, sons or daughters, can pass these tests.  He stated:                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     I think it is one of  the best things in the world that                                                                    
     you could  have done  for these  students of  Alaska to                                                                    
     raise these standards  up and bring it  to the parents'                                                                    
     attention so  maybe they  will get  off their  duff and                                                                    
     help  that  student  get  through   school  and  get  a                                                                    
     diploma,  whether  it's  a   graduating  diploma  or  a                                                                    
     diploma with  the transcript on  the back, so  they can                                                                    
     go ahead and bring it up to snuff.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 0474                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE pointed out that  the existing law, which wouldn't be                                                               
changed by this bill, allows  students for three years after they                                                               
leave high  school to  take the  test and  get a  diploma, giving                                                               
them 11 opportunities to take this test.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 0436                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
AMY  HEADRICK, Disability  Law Center  of  Alaska, testified  via                                                               
teleconference  in  support  of  HB  94.   She  stated  that  the                                                               
Disability Law  Center's main  concern is  the fact  that schools                                                               
right  now  are  not  properly   educating  the  students.    She                                                               
addressed   Representative  Porter's   question  concerning   the                                                               
legality with students with learning  disabilities.  She said she                                                               
has a  copy of  the settlement agreement  itself from  the Oregon                                                               
Department of  Education case as  well as  a copy of  the report.                                                               
She  stated  that  the  biggest concern  is  that  students  with                                                               
disabilities may not and  - in many cases that she  is aware of -                                                               
are  not being  adequately prepared  by the  school district  for                                                               
this  exam.    She  expressed  that  perhaps  this  is  the  most                                                               
compelling reason  to delay this.   Ms. Holden  continued, saying                                                               
that many students in special  education have been receiving less                                                               
than  adequate  instruction  for  the majority  of  their  school                                                               
lives; therefore, preparation for the exam cannot be blamed.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. HEADRICK stressed that students  and their parents must fight                                                               
hard,   going  through   long  processes   with  the   threat  of                                                               
retaliation, in attempts  to receive the education  in which they                                                               
are entitled.   She noted that one of the  major areas of concern                                                               
is reading,  which is a  good example  of how our  schools failed                                                               
these  children.    She  stated  that  many  children  with  IEPs                                                               
(Individual Education  Programs) are far behind  their classmates                                                               
in  reading  levels,   and  yet  the  schools   continue  to  use                                                               
traditional   methods    with   these   students    despite   the                                                               
ineffectiveness.  The  result, she said, is causing  them to fall                                                               
far behind their class [level],  which then has a snowball effect                                                               
on their ability  to learn the remainder of the  curriculum.  Ms.                                                               
Holden remarked, "It is well known  that if children can learn to                                                               
read, they can read to learn."   She stressed they must be taught                                                               
early on  because once they are  in high school, it's  really too                                                               
late for the remediation to take effect.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. HOLDEN  declared that  what is so  unfortunate is  that there                                                               
are programs that can help teach  children.  She referred to when                                                               
Representative Bunde,  on [Alaska  Public Radio  Network (APRN)],                                                               
addressed the  new teaching methods  that are being  developed to                                                               
help  students with  learning disabilities.   She  responded that                                                               
these methods are available within  the state of Alaska; however,                                                               
they are  not currently provided  to children as part  of special                                                               
education.   She continued, saying  that the school  district put                                                               
the budget problem to the  parents requesting programs to be part                                                               
of their children's  IEP.  The result, she said,  is that it will                                                               
be those  children whose  parents have the  resources to  pay for                                                               
these programs upfront who will ever  gain the benefit of the new                                                               
teaching method.   She  added that  those who  have been  able to                                                               
receive the benefit as of yet make up a very small percent.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  HOLDEN  remarked  that  before children  begin  to  be  held                                                               
accountable and are denied diplomas,  the school district must be                                                               
accountable for  launching the failing (indisc.).   She expressed                                                               
that  the  proposed  standards  give  these  children  and  their                                                               
parents a new  weapon in their battle  for appropriate education.                                                               
More time  is needed  for remedial education  to give  any truth.                                                               
Although they  have the same time  as other students who  wish to                                                               
prepare  for  the  onset  of   the  "exit  exam",  students  with                                                               
disabilities have  not been given the  same opportunity (indisc.)                                                               
that time.   Four  more years  may very  well make  a significant                                                               
difference  in  the  chances  in testing  the  ability  of  these                                                               
children.   The  Disability  Law Center  urges  the committee  to                                                               
recommend that this law be passed.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE  responded that he  has heard some  educational folks                                                               
who have students  with disabilities ask to keep  the pressure on                                                               
for the  standards and to keep  them sooner rather than  later in                                                               
hopes that the  ends will be achieved by the  districts that have                                                               
been mentioned.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 0140                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DEB LUNDY testified via teleconference in  support of HB 94.  Ms.                                                               
Lundy's family just  moved to Alaska this summer  from Ohio where                                                               
she taught for  10 years, she said the first  year, she taught in                                                               
a rural area, which was the  first year that Ohio was doing high-                                                               
stakes testing.   She  said she  was involved  with this  kind of                                                               
testing program for 10 years  and worked on various committees to                                                               
bring the  standards and  the district up  to par.  She expressed                                                               
that she sees the wisdom in  delaying the effect.  She said there                                                               
are many things the district has  to deal with that sometimes put                                                               
a  real financial  burden to  upgrade the  standards, change  the                                                               
curriculum, and sometimes  change staff.  The kids  should not be                                                               
penalized  because the  schools  didn't have  their act  together                                                               
right from the beginning.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 01-7, SIDE A                                                                                                               
Number 0038                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
RICH   KRONBERG,   President,  NEA-Alaska   (National   Education                                                               
Association-Alaska),  came  forth  to speak  about  delaying  the                                                               
effective  date of  the high  school graduation  qualifying exam.                                                               
He responded  to the question  that's been raised, which  is what                                                               
would a  delay provide students  that's not  currently available.                                                               
This is a  question NEA-Alaska members have  been examining since                                                               
last fall.   The leadership  and staff have engaged  in extensive                                                               
conversations  to  articulate  those  elements that  can  make  a                                                               
difference for students, and, if  they require additional time to                                                               
implement, to  take a position  in support of  a delay.   The end                                                               
result of this internal process was a decision taken at the NEA-                                                                
Alaska's delegate assembly,  held in January, to  support a delay                                                               
of four years in the effective date of the exit exam.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. KRONBERG cited a few items  from an NEA-Alaska list of things                                                               
that will  make a difference.   He cited among the  items thought                                                               
to be essential:                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Districts   must  align   their  curriculum   with  the                                                                    
     standards.  The content and  the passing level for each                                                                    
     test must  accurately reflect what  we really  want all                                                                    
     of our graduates  (not just the college  bound) to know                                                                    
     and be able  to do.  Benchmark test results  have to be                                                                    
     provided to  teachers in a  way that will  inform their                                                                    
     instruction.     Districts   must  institute   coherent                                                                    
     systems   of    professional   development,   including                                                                    
     mentoring, that  focus on  instruction in  a standards-                                                                    
     based system.   All students should  be provided access                                                                    
     to summer school.  And  all students should be provided                                                                    
     quality    tutoring     in    after-school    settings.                                                                    
     Alternative methods  must be developed  and implemented                                                                    
     for  special education  and Limited  English Proficient                                                                    
     students   to   demonstrate  mastery   of   performance                                                                    
     standards.   And these alternative  methods have  to be                                                                    
     rigorous,  yet fair.   And  districts must  provide all                                                                    
     students access to quality, qualified teachers.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
The NEA-Alaska followed up their  delegate assembly action with a                                                               
quick survey  of their  online committee  Mr. Kronberg  said, the                                                               
executive summary  states that about  7 percent of all  folks who                                                               
responded want to  do away with the test altogether.   Another 20                                                               
percent  want to  go  ahead  with the  current  timeline for  the                                                               
effective date.   The rest,  a bit over  70 percent, argue  for a                                                               
delay in  order to make  sure everything's done to  help students                                                               
meet or exceed standards.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. KRONBERG referred to the Oregon  case and stated that the NEA                                                               
knows  that special  education parents  have  filed suit  because                                                               
their  children were  denied diplomas  because that  state's exit                                                               
exam  didn't   allow  them  to   demonstrate  their   mastery  of                                                               
standards.   In Arizona,  the effective  date of  the high-stakes                                                               
test  has been  delayed and  the math  portion has  been replaced                                                               
twice.   In  Virginia, the  effective date  has been  delayed and                                                               
there's  a  movement  among  parents   and  educators  to  simply                                                               
eliminate  the  test.    It   is  necessary  to  learn  from  the                                                               
experience of  others, and be aware  of mistakes made and  try to                                                               
avoid them.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KRONBERG  concluded that  the  move  to high  standards  and                                                               
enhanced  student  performance  is   one  that  NEA-Alaska  fully                                                               
supports.    The  best  way   to  accomplish  this  is  by  doing                                                               
everything possible to  make sure that Alaskan  students have the                                                               
tools they need  to meet and exceed standards.   Passing the exit                                                               
exam is certainly one indicator of  success.  Some of those tools                                                               
require a delay  in the effective date of the  test, which should                                                               
be  granted specifically  so districts  and the  state department                                                               
can make  the changes.  NEA-Alaska  is not asking for  a delay to                                                               
provide more  time for more  of the same.   A delay is  the right                                                               
thing to do only if it is used  to do the right thing for Alaskan                                                               
students.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 0393                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE  noted that Mr.  Kronberg has a Regents  diploma from                                                               
New York,  often held  up as an  example.  He  asked if  the non-                                                               
Regents diploma also indicated some basic mastery or literacy.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. KRONBERG  replied that a  Regents diploma was granted  if the                                                               
student acquired a certain number  of Regents credits, by passing                                                               
an end  of course  exam.   He said he  believes that  the general                                                               
diploma -  if that's even  what it's called  - was pretty  much a                                                               
function of seat time.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 0463                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GUESS  asked if the  legal defensibility  would be                                                               
discussed.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  BUNDE  stated  that  he  encourages  people  to  read  the                                                               
response   dialogue  (of   the  delegate   assemble)  that   this                                                               
generated.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. KRONBERG  responded that there are  fairly eloquent arguments                                                               
made in both directions in those conversations.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 0545                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
PHILIP  REEVES,   Assistant  Attorney  General,   Human  Services                                                               
Section, Civil  Division (Juneau), Department of  Law, came forth                                                               
on  behalf of  the EED.   He  stated that  there are  two federal                                                               
court  decisions  found  regarding  the  Texas  and  the  Florida                                                               
graduating exams  that provide a  broad overview and  a statement                                                               
of  the criteria  applied in  those cases  that might  be helpful                                                               
when looking at  the Alaska situation.  Both of  those cases were                                                               
brought first  under Title Six of  the Civil Rights Act  of 1964.                                                               
Their challenge is based on  a disproportionate failure rate by a                                                               
group of  minority students.  He  said that this could  be a good                                                               
avenue for  a challenge to  be brought in Alaska,  because, under                                                               
the Civil Rights Act, if  one can show the percentage difference,                                                               
then the burden shifts to the state to defend its program.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 0607                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. REEVES stated that though  the civil rights challenge brought                                                               
the matter to court, the focus  of the courts evidentiary view in                                                               
those cases  was on the  question of whether there  was violation                                                               
of due process  protections under the 14th amendment  of the U.S.                                                               
constitution.    The question  was  basically  whether the  state                                                               
provided a reasonable educational  opportunity to the students to                                                               
pass the  exam.  What  can be learned from  both of the  cases is                                                               
the courts appear unlikely to  attempt to modify the basic policy                                                               
decision of  what the exam standard  should be.  The  courts give                                                               
broad deference  to the state  to determine  appropriate standard                                                               
for graduation  for a diploma, and  they will allow the  state to                                                               
set a  high standard without a  great focus on that.   The courts                                                               
instead will focus on how  reasonably implemented the educational                                                               
program is  to provide  the opportunity to  the students  to meet                                                               
this  standard.   The  Florida and  Texas  courts identified  two                                                               
basic  categories  of test  validity  as  their focus:    content                                                               
validity and instructional validity.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 0694                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. REEVES explained that in  the content validity area the basic                                                               
question  is,  whether  the test  accurately  measures  the  test                                                               
taker's  knowledge in  the content  area being  tested.   He said                                                               
that he is  fairly confident he could defend a  challenge in this                                                               
area.  He stated that perhaps,  in the future, the EED might have                                                               
an opportunity  to expand on  the process  in which the  test was                                                               
developed  and the  questions that  were reviewed.   The  largest                                                               
national  test development  corporation developed  the test  in a                                                               
process  that used  input from  Alaskans  around the  state.   It                                                               
focused on  ridding the  test of questions  that suffered  from a                                                               
cultural bias.   The corporation  was based on the  state board's                                                               
adopted  performance  standards, and  the  EED  is instituting  a                                                               
Continuous  Renewal Process  by  which there  will  be an  annual                                                               
review, evaluation, and hopeful improvement of the examination.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 0755                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. REEVES  noted that the  other major area is  in instructional                                                               
validity,  also  referred to  as  either  curricular validity  or                                                               
opportunity  to  learn.    The  basic  question  is  whether  the                                                               
curriculum  and the  total educational  program  will offer  each                                                               
student  a  reasonable  opportunity  to gain  the  knowledge  and                                                               
skills that are tested.  He  said that he thinks both the Florida                                                               
and the Texas case proved a  useful outline of the legal criteria                                                               
and  the  factual  evidence  that those  courts  relied  upon  in                                                               
upholding those  states' graduation  exams, despite a  showing of                                                               
this disproportionate  failure rate  by certain  minority groups.                                                               
When referring to  the Florida case, there was a  series of three                                                               
cases; they're all the Turlington case.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. REEVES  stated that initially  the exam was challenged.   The                                                               
first  year they  made it  a requirement  that students  pass the                                                               
exam to receive a diploma was  1979.  This was challenged as well                                                               
and took the court four years  to require passing the exam before                                                               
a diploma was given.   At the end of those  four years, there was                                                               
another  challenge,  claiming   that  they  had  disproportionate                                                               
failure rate.   That final  case upheld the  test.  This  gives a                                                               
good  example  of the  type  of  evidence  that would  likely  be                                                               
considered in  a case in the  federal courts in a  contest of the                                                               
Alaska exam.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  REEVES  stated  that the  Florida  Department  of  Education                                                               
commissioned  a private  consulting  firm to  design  a study  to                                                               
determine  whether  Florida  school districts  teach  the  skills                                                               
tested  by the  competency examination.   The  first part  of the                                                               
study  consisted  of  a  teacher survey  distributed  to  all  of                                                               
Florida's  65,000  teachers,  of  which 47,000  responded.    The                                                               
survey  asked  whether  the   teacher  had  provided  instruction                                                               
relating to  the skills  tested and  whether the  instruction had                                                               
been sufficient for a student to master the skills.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. REEVES  continued stating that  the second part of  the study                                                               
was  a  district survey  completed  by  all 67  school  districts                                                               
requesting the districts  to, first, estimate in  which grades, 2                                                               
through12,  students were  taught the  test skills  and in  which                                                               
grade  a majority  of students  would have  mastered the  skills;                                                               
second,  describe  any  major  variations  in  instruction  among                                                               
schools  in the  district; third,  provide any  remedial programs                                                               
specifically related to mastery  of test skills; fourth, describe                                                               
staff  development activities  related to  teaching test  skills;                                                               
fifth,  list instructional  material specifically  used to  teach                                                               
test   skills;  and   sixth,   identify   any  program   designed                                                               
specifically to help  students pass the test.  The  third part of                                                               
the study was  a series of site visits to  verify the accuracy of                                                               
the  district reports.    All  three experts  for  the state  who                                                               
testified  regarding   their  conclusions   within  instructional                                                               
validity  were  bolstered  by   the  state's  extensive  remedial                                                               
efforts to  help students who  initially failed the test  to pass                                                               
the test prior to graduation.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. REEVES  referred to the Texas  case.  He said  that this case                                                               
focused  specifically  on   state-mandated  remediation  and  the                                                               
state's  evidence  that  there  was  a  track  record  from  this                                                               
remediation that  had dramatically improved the  passage rates of                                                               
the plaintiff groups.  There  were still disproportionate failure                                                               
rates.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 1016                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  REEVES  stated  that  when   looking  at  the  instructional                                                               
validity criteria from  the Florida and Texas  cases and applying                                                               
it to  Alaska, one would find  that Alaska is relying  greatly on                                                               
an educational  program based on benchmark  exams, which identify                                                               
students falling  below the curve  at early grades.   This allows                                                               
for focus on instruction throughout  their remediation program on                                                               
the district  level.  And  this allows teachers  that information                                                               
to align their  curricula with the state standards  and allow the                                                               
department to assist the districts in those endeavors.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. REEVES concluded, by discussing  the timeline.  The benchmark                                                               
exams were first given in the  spring of 2000, and the first data                                                               
from both  the benchmark exams  and the graduation exams  came to                                                               
the districts in  the fall of 2000, as a  result, an argument can                                                               
certainly be made that the schools  didn't get the benefit of the                                                               
program yet for that class that's  graduating in 2002.  To defend                                                               
a case from  those students, it is necessary to  go back and look                                                               
at  what the  educational program  was  prior to  the attempt  at                                                               
alignment  and the  attempt to  use  the benchmarks  in order  to                                                               
focus on deficiencies based on the standard.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 1089                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE  stated that next  week there will be  a presentation                                                               
from Galena  school district and  then two weeks from  today this                                                               
discussion would  be continued.  Updated version  of the  test is                                                               
online at  www.eed.state.ak.us\tls\assessment.   [HB 94  was held                                                             
over.]                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                

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